[Steverino]

The $30,000 price is just baited to get buyers interested. If they do make that low expensive model it will be built in low numbers with lack luster features/looks.

Like others, I'm not sure why you are speculating. Perhaps you are thinking of Tesla's gambit where they had a low priced Model Y for a very short time and then it disappeared.

Regarding the Equinox EV, as Nebula 1701 points out, your concerns have already been addressed by GM. Chevy is giving itself some wiggle room by disclaiming that the pictures of future EV's are pre-production, so slight changes may be made. But the features and looks are basically published and baked. GM will build it if you buy it.

 

[Steverino]

That's not right for the dealer to pull the rug from you and give it to someone else. Is there saving on the GM MasterCard rebate and can anyone open an account with them? As far as range the IONIQ 6 sedan gets close to a 400-mile range FYi.

"the Ioniq 6’s slippery bodywork allows the EV to get to 380 miles per charge on the WLTP cycle". Keep in mind that 380 is a European WLTP rating which is always higher than EPA range. Many feels the EPA range is more realistic than the WLTP score. So, figure about 338 miles range EPA for the 6 based on the Ioniq 5 Long Range AWD specs for WLTP vs EPA. Could be as low as 318 EPA, but time will tell.

Plus, these are manufacturer quotes. GM tends to be more conservative on the EPA spec than some other manufacturers. I always got more miles on the Volt and Bolt than GM claimed.

 

[Steverino]

Isn't the EV credit starting in '23 a point of sale rebate instead of an income tax credit?

Unfortunately, chEVy4me is correct I think.

Electrek has a good analysis and FAQ here: Here's every electric vehicle that qualifies for the current and upcoming US federal tax credit

 

[Steverino]

I think the details are still a little bit in flux and waiting for someone's official stamp of approval. At least there's more details in that article than I have seen elsewhere. As we get closer to next year (or later?), there will be more clarity.

 

[Steverino]

The wheelbase is shorter than the Volt so it's a bit bouncier/bumpier than the Volt. Longer wheelbases = smoother ride. The Equinox EV is longer than the Volt so I expect a good ride.

Road noise is fine. Chicago area gets everything: cold, hot, snow, sleet, rain, humid, dry. I have winter tires for both cars and they handle extremely well during winter weather.

We love the Volt but find the Bolt more fun to drive. It's become our go to car. I'd get another to replace the Volt but prefer the next one to be Ultium-based.

 

[Steverino]

I had a feeling it would be bouncier. So I guess the Blazer EV might be somewhat smoother than the Eq.

Wheelbase is key. the Volt is 8.8 feet, the 2017 Bolt EV is 8.5 ft while the current Bolt EV EUV Premier is 8.8 feet like the Volt. The Equinox EV wheelbase is apparently 9" longer than the gas version, so 9.7 feet (116.3 inches).

The 2024 Chevy Equinox EV Brings 250 Miles of Range for $30,000

Higher trim models will go up to 300 miles on a charge.

www.roadandtrack.com

 

[Steverino]

Here's an updated version w/ fixes and standard options for Canada.

Nice spreadsheet to make comparisons easier, thanks chEVy4me! I'm going to merge this with the other, earlier thread on trim levels.

 

[Steverino]

Do you care about Supercruise? I don't.

Unless the car is Level 5 totally self driving (it's not), I don't want it (or the subscription fee) . Why? These "hands free" systems are good enough to lull many into an over reliance on the car driving itself. Now, GM has done a great job in monitoring the driver's attention with Supercruise to help address the problem of drivers not paying attention (deciding to text, play games, watch a movie, etc. ) while they are supposed to be driving. But if I still have to be able to grab the wheel at a moment's notice, what's the point? I'll either be on edge waiting to take over or I'll be complacent with a slower reaction time.

Thoughts?

 

[Steverino]

Super Cruise is a must for me. I like what it offers, and I wouldn't be on a knifes edge either.

Did you know it's $25/month/$300/year?

Super Cruise details: Super Cruise for Electric Vehicles | Chevrolet

Have you tested it in the Bolt EUV or a Cadillac? Just curious.

From the Chevy Department of fine print:
1. Safety or driver assistance features are no substitute for the driver’s responsibility to operate the vehicle in a safe manner. The driver should remain attentive to traffic, surroundings and road conditions at all times. Visibility, weather, and road conditions may affect feature performance. Read the vehicle’s owner’s manual for more important feature limitations and information.

All Super Cruise-equipped vehicles include 3 years of connectivity to support functionality, after which an eligible paid Connected Services plan is required.

After initial 3-year period, an eligible Connected Services plan must be purchased. Connected Services vary by vehicle and model and require active service plan, working electrical system, cell reception and GPS signal. Does not include safety services. Super Cruise vehicles are connected to emergency services. See onstar.com for details and limitations.

At Onstar:

Super Cruise*

Get cutting-edge convenience with Super Cruise.™ You can travel on more than 200,000 miles of compatible roads in the U.S. and Canada with the confidence that comes from an innovative Driver Attention System. $25/mo.

 

[Steverino]

Yeah I know all about this, I've been following it closely. Also as a note it's now 400k Miles of compatible roads and growing.
Also having a Super Cruise Equipped vehicle adds a lot of resale value to it, just as ACC does to Volts.

Super Cruise is impressive, no question. I'm just not sure what problem it's solving for me. Especially at $300/year.

What will it add to your Equinox EV driving experience, Nebula1701?

What happend to my chart?

What chart is that, Evan1?

 

[Steverino]

It was a cut-and-paste of all the trims/options.

Nothing has been deleted. Maybe it's in another thread?

But there are quite a few trim charts in this thread:

2024 Chevy Equinox EV Trims & Features

According to Chevrolet there are going to be 5 different trim levels available for the Equinox EV. Customers can choose between the 1LT, 2LT, 2RS, 3LT, and 3RS. Here is how the trim levels break down...

www.equinoxevforum.com

2024 Chevy Equinox EV Trims & Features

According to Chevrolet there are going to be 5 different trim levels available for the Equinox EV. Customers can choose between the 1LT, 2LT, 2RS, 3LT, and 3RS. Here is how the trim levels break down...

www.equinoxevforum.com

2024 Chevy Equinox EV Trims & Features

According to Chevrolet there are going to be 5 different trim levels available for the Equinox EV. Customers can choose between the 1LT, 2LT, 2RS, 3LT, and 3RS. Here is how the trim levels break down...

www.equinoxevforum.com

2024 Chevy Equinox EV Trims & Features

According to Chevrolet there are going to be 5 different trim levels available for the Equinox EV. Customers can choose between the 1LT, 2LT, 2RS, 3LT, and 3RS. Here is how the trim levels break down...

www.equinoxevforum.com

2024 Chevy Equinox EV Trims & Features

According to Chevrolet there are going to be 5 different trim levels available for the Equinox EV. Customers can choose between the 1LT, 2LT, 2RS, 3LT, and 3RS. Here is how the trim levels break down...

www.equinoxevforum.com

2024 Chevy Equinox EV Trims & Features

Awesome list. Nervous to see how much a fully loaded 3RS is.

www.equinoxevforum.com

 

[Steverino]

I believe it was from an older PDF from chEVy4me , oh well.
I will first need to give Super Cruise a shot...

There are two PDF's fromchEVy4me in the links I provided above

2024 Chevy Equinox EV Trims & Features

According to Chevrolet there are going to be 5 different trim levels available for the Equinox EV. Customers can choose between the 1LT, 2LT, 2RS, 3LT, and 3RS. Here is how the trim levels break down...

www.equinoxevforum.com

2024 Chevy Equinox EV Trims & Features

According to Chevrolet there are going to be 5 different trim levels available for the Equinox EV. Customers can choose between the 1LT, 2LT, 2RS, 3LT, and 3RS. Here is how the trim levels break down...

www.equinoxevforum.com

 

[Steverino]

Thanks for the clarification, MaybeFutureBuyer!

 

[Steverino]

I have on order The Fisker Ocean Sport, FWD, LFP batteries, estimated range 250 mile, production starts the 17th, with delivery expected fall ‘23.

Having seen how battery and other issues can affect the EV owner's experience, I'm reluctant to take a gamble on a "newbie". Sure you have Magna International building it (Foxconn later?) but the company is a startup. Who knows what service and support will be like? If you happen to live near one of the few service centers (initially LA and Munich, eventually 50 more split betwwen Europe and US), maybe the experience will be OK.

Does anybody know if the modules on the Ultium battery are individually replaceable? Because if so, it's a game-changer in the "Battery replacement anxiety" category. A cell went out? No need for a 15K pack, just replace a $1500 module out of the pack. I like to keep my cars for as long as they can last...So that's really important to me...Better for the environment as well.

We don't even have pricing on the Buick Equinox EV yet... And it's only going to come up 8 years from now for an out of warranty replacement. So no, no price on a replacement brick 8 years from now using some unknown battery type/chemsitry.

 

[Steverino]

Thanks, but I'm not looking for the price. The Ultium platform is already out there (Hummer EV). I just want to know if the modules that make the pack are individually replaceable.

Yes. That's why I'm looking at Ultium-platform based EV's and not something else. GM is leveraging it's Volt experience and addressing issues the Volt brought to light.

 

[Steverino]

Nervous when the EV won't see the day of light until late 2024? Wake me up when the do a test drive in 16 months.

Given the initial Equinox EV orders will start delivering by December, I expect reviewer test drives of the 2RS will be this year. My guess is they will start popping up in about 6 months around June.

 

[Steverino]

I always liked the Honda Fit space wagon. It packed a lot of bang for the buck. Sad to see it discontinued in USA after 2020.

 

[Steverino]

Actually, Tesla reduced prices to get the Model Y, which is their best selling vehicle, under the price cap for IRA tax credits.

And that $7500 tax credit option expires end of March unless the car battery materials meet the domestic sourcing requirement. I don't know if they do.

 

[Steverino]

GM stock at $35. Should be higher but stuck in mud.

Wall Street still views GM as a "dividend" stock rather than a meme stock like Tesla.

GM (Mary Barra and team) keep trying to change that narrative, even had a bunch of analysts come in and see all the work they are doing on autonomous cars (Cruise Automation), the EV initiatives (Ultium, the EV rollouts), and they downgraded the stock because they can't see GM doing what they are clearly doing. Until GM has more EV models out there in 2023, 2024, 2025 the analysts just see GM as an ICE truck builder, but not an EV innovator "like Tesla". I think that perception will change, but not for another year or two. Assuming GM continues to execute of course.

The thing with Tesla is they are always late, their after sale service seems to be sub-par (GM dealers have seen an increase is servicing Teslas), their models are old, and Musk has a big mouth. Now many, many car companies are starting to ramp up their EV offerings. There will be lots of alternatives to Tesla. Of course if you read the Tesla fan club comments Tesla is the only car company that remains after all the others are gone because they could not figure out how to EV innovate. I think the only major advantage Tesla has is the charging stations, but the public and private networks are expanding so that advantage is slipping.

 

[Steverino]

I'll take a vast network of dealers over a vast network of chargers.

I agree, Maybe. Both have their advantages of course. A reliable charging network for long road trips is still a concern for would-be EV buyers, and Tesla has the edge there at least for now. Of course it also depends on the amount of long road trips you take. For me, not many, so a national charging network is a nice to have not need to have. YMMV

But yes, a dealer network does offer advantages (and some disadvantages - watch out for stealerships) for having my car serviced locally. I have at least 3 Chevy dealers that are local, compared to 7 Tesla centers in the entire state.