[MaybeFutureBuyer]

I just saw that the 2RS has 20-inch wheels, still better than the 21s. I wonder if there is a range variation between 19s and 20s and costs??

I can pretty much guarantee there is. I'm not interested in any of the RS variants. I probably won't find the 3LT a good deal as well. So as long as the 2LT will actually come with 19", I'm good. But 20" is where I draw the line.

 

[Evan1]

I can pretty much guarantee there is. I'm not interested in any of the RS variants. I probably won't find the 3LT a good deal as well. So as long as the 2LT will actually come with 19", I'm good. But 20" is where I draw the line.

I know with JEEP you can option a base trim to have as many toys as the top of the line. I wonder if the EQ will have a similar option package. I don't need a top-of-the-line model nor do I need SuperCruise as I don't trust algorithms and cameras to do the steering for me.

 

[MaybeFutureBuyer]

I know with JEEP you can option a base trim to have as many toys as the top of the line. I wonder if the EQ will have a similar option package. I don't need a top-of-the-line model nor do I need SuperCruise as I don't trust algorithms and cameras to do the steering for me.

According to the spec sheet, no. You can't "fully option" a 1LT. I guess that's because the 1LT is their "fleet model"

 

[Andre YUL]

I'm not doing 2 sets. The CrossClimate2 make that possible. They are better than a mid range winter tires at winter and as good as a mid range summer tires at summer. They cost 1.5X the cost of a midrange winter tire... So I think it's definitely worth it.

A winter-rated all-weather (not just "mud & snow") might make strictly financial sense if you do very low mileage and/or don't keep the car long. It might also make sense for the last year or two of ownership if both your winter and all-season sets are too worn to drive. However, that's not the choice I'd make.

We both live in Quebec, where there's a "real" winter. If you're going to drive long enough to wear out your all-season tires, you might as well extend their life by using a dedicated high quality winter tire - you're initially paying more, but you're also extending the life of the all-seasons. You'll also likely be able to get smaller (and less expensive) wheels and tires and a narrower profile for the snow.

Ultimately, even if a set of premium winter tires does cost more (and it's not that much more over the entire life of the vehicle), the safety of my family is worth more than saving a few hundred bucks on tires. No one tire is perfect for all weather, especially in a northern climate. As you probably know, its not just about thread patterns in snow - it's also about how some rubber compounds are softer and have more grip below 7°C.

How It Works: Winter tires

What makes winter tires so effective? It's the perfect mix of ingredients, plus a grippy tread

driving.ca

 

[MaybeFutureBuyer]

A winter-rated all-weather (not just "mud & snow") might make strictly financial sense if you do very low mileage and/or don't keep the car long. It might also make sense for the last year or two of ownership if both your winter and all-season sets are too worn to drive. However, that's not the choice I'd make.

We both live in Quebec, where there's a "real" winter. If you're going to drive long enough to wear out your all-season tires, you might as well extend their life by using a dedicated high quality winter tire - you're initially paying more, but you're also extending the life of the all-seasons. You'll also likely be able to get smaller (and less expensive) wheels and tires and a narrower profile for the snow.

Ultimately, even if a set of premium winter tires does cost more (and it's not that much more over the entire life of the vehicle), the safety of my family is worth more than saving a few hundred bucks on tires. No one tire is perfect for all weather, especially in a northern climate. As you probably know, its not just about thread patterns in snow - it's also about how some rubber compounds are softer and have more grip below 7°C.

How It Works: Winter tires

What makes winter tires so effective? It's the perfect mix of ingredients, plus a grippy tread

driving.ca

That was true 3-4 years ago. Technology is better now. Look at the video I linked. The CrossClimate2 won against some winter tires. It won't win against Michelin winter tires, but then we're talking about a HUGE price gap between 2 sets vs one.

It comes with a 100K tread warranty, which is unheard of for any tire, and I've seen reviewers in Canada that did 50K with it, and it only lost 4\32nds during that time.

BTW, I am driving very low mileage (2-3K\year), and yes, both my sets are on their last season (summer at 2\32nds, winter at 4\32nds). They are both not Michelin. So, I'll be getting pretty much the same performance as I get now.

Look at the tests, the CrossClimate2 won against most winter tires in snow handling and snow traction, and was only 15% worst at snow breaking than the BEST winter tire (and the same as a mid-range winter tire):

 

[Andre YUL]

I watched this video before my post. He admits no tire is perfect for all situations and, for his testing, he excluded what "North-Americans call winter tires".

Winter tires have the optimal softer compound only in the initial layers. As the tire wears, the thread depth may appear adequate, but the adherence of the remaining harder compound is inferior. This shouldn't be apparent in daily driving, but would have an impact for an emergency stop on ice at low temperatures.

Assuming all-weather tires also have different rubber at different depths and since rubber wears more quickly in hotter weather, I'd expect you'd be scraping off the softest rubber layer in your first summer of driving and leaving the harder remaining layer for the following winter. Even the best dedicated winter tire degrades significantly over time and is less than optimal long before the tire is threadbare.

Tire reviewers only review brand new tires. I'm not willing to gamble my family's life that a "compromise" tire will have adequate ice traction after a summer or two of hot weather driving.

 

[MaybeFutureBuyer]

I watched this video before my post. He admits no tire is perfect for all situations and, for his testing, he excluded what "North-Americans call winter tires".

Winter tires have the optimal softer compound only in the initial layers. As the tire wears, the thread depth may appear adequate, but the adherence of the remaining harder compound is inferior. This shouldn't be apparent in daily driving, but would have an impact for an emergency stop on ice at low temperatures.

Assuming all-weather tires also have different rubber at different depths and since rubber wears more quickly in hotter weather, I'd expect you'd be scraping off the softest rubber layer in your first summer of driving and leaving the harder remaining layer for the following winter. Even the best dedicated winter tire degrades significantly over time and is less than optimal long before the tire is threadbare.

Tire reviewers only review brand new tires. I'm not willing to gamble my family's life that a "compromise" tire will have adequate ice traction after a summer or two of hot weather driving.

What he said and what the tests show is different. He said that because he, personally, like sporty driving.

The test was repeated with low tread (same channel, same person, same car) with even better comparative results for the CrossClimate2 (when compared against other worn tires).

Saying "me and my family" or "think about the children" doesn't change the objective results. Are you only buying the top performing tires for both sets? Otherwise, you're also "risking your family" because dedicated mid-range tires perform exactly the same.

I've been driving on mid-range every winter, and never lost control except over ice (which no tire can beat). BTW, there are plenty of other Canadian YouTubers who tested it, and even some in Quebec. You can also look at reviews for it at Canadian tire. Pretty much everyone are happy with the winter performance (4.7 out of 5 stars, and over 500 reviews).

 

[Steverino]

I'm not sure what I'll do. Up to now I have always had a set of snow tires, but increasingly it seems the weather trend for our area is fewer snow storms, less snow. But then you can get freak snow storms. Both my snow tires and my 2-stage snow throwing tractor have seen very little use this winter. It was hardly worth the effort of installing the tires an converting the tractor.

But if there is any snow, my Blizzaks cut through it with ease. Much better than the factory tires that came with the car.

 

[MaybeFutureBuyer]

I watched this video before my post. He admits no tire is perfect for all situations and, for his testing, he excluded what "North-Americans call winter tires".

Winter tires have the optimal softer compound only in the initial layers. As the tire wears, the thread depth may appear adequate, but the adherence of the remaining harder compound is inferior. This shouldn't be apparent in daily driving, but would have an impact for an emergency stop on ice at low temperatures.

Assuming all-weather tires also have different rubber at different depths and since rubber wears more quickly in hotter weather, I'd expect you'd be scraping off the softest rubber layer in your first summer of driving and leaving the harder remaining layer for the following winter. Even the best dedicated winter tire degrades significantly over time and is less than optimal long before the tire is threadbare.

Tire reviewers only review brand new tires. I'm not willing to gamble my family's life that a "compromise" tire will have adequate ice traction after a summer or two of hot weather driving.

Here is the test repeated with low tread. Ignore the other tire he's testing, just look at the CC2 "worn" vs "new"

 

[Steverino]

just look at the CC2 "worn" vs "new"

that was a fun video, and informative.

 

[MaybeFutureBuyer]

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that was a fun video, and informative.

Glad you like it. Here's something even better, it shows you that during the milder parts of winter, the CrossClimate is SAFER than a dedicated winter tire (even a high-end one). Like when driving in low temperatures with dry roads.

His "conclusion" is subjective though, because he's a sporty driver, so while all the tests he does prove one thing, he completely disregards that at the end.

But reading the reviews on Canadian tire should be enough of a "Canadian winter proof".

*It's an old video, so he tested the CrossClimate+. The CrossClimate2 is better than the +.

 

[Evan1]

I tried zooming on the tires to see the size markings, no luck.

This should be part of a tire tread.