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Hmm, other than Tesla, most EV's charge front or front left side.

However, Tesla charge stations are optimized/configured assuming the charge ports are located rear left side. The cord lengths are relatively short as a result. This will lead to issues for some other cars. Will the cord reach the Equinox EV's charge port?

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V4 Super Chargers will have longer cable lengths when they start to be installed.
"During the 2023 Investor Day, Tesla revealed that it just started installing its fourth-generation (V4) Supercharging stalls in Europe. The company didn't show any photos or details (like power output), but the new stalls will have a longer charging cable"

Looks like time will tell. Until then, it might be a good idea to test out a CCS capable site to determine it's accessibility for your car before relying on one for a trip.
 

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In some countries, EVs can recharge on a mat which will hopefully end cord issues and which type of connector is needed. It will probably take the US 10 years to catch up to this standard, lol. But I believe inductive charging is the answer.
 

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In some countries, EVs can recharge on a mat
I think wireless could address vandalism concerns for urban charging, Evan. DC fast charging? Not so much. Cost effective? No, it will cost more unless the cable charge portsfor 120V, 240V are eliminated from cars. Faster charging? Not for highway trips where DCFC would rule.

These systems tend to be more expensive and have greater energy loss than a direct connection. Plugless Power sells systems designed to work with a US domestic 240V output, fit to existing cars, and the company claims power can be delivered through an air gap of up to 12 inches, meaning wireless charging of taller vehicles like SUVs and trucks could be possible.

Plugless Power says its upcoming third-generation wireless charger has a target price of $3,500, plus installation, and it is working on chargers for the European market too.


"Technically, everything is scalable; however, as power transfer rates go up, the complexity and size of the power management electronics must go up,” he added. “More importantly, as the power goes up, a number of additional factors needs to be considered, such as thermal losses and thermal management. The higher the inefficiency, and the higher the power, the higher the heat losses and more that must be done to manage that heat.”

Dr. Milan Rosina, principal analyst for Power Electronics and Batteries at Yole Développement (Yole), said that EV charging requires much higher voltage, power, and amount of energy transferred. Therefore, the technology, safety, cost, and environmental challenges are much more severe. “While wireless chargers and smartphones are often in close contact, it is difficult to position the vehicle accurately over the charger, and the distance between charger (transmitter) and the receiver installed on the vehicle is much bigger,” he said.

Rosina pointed out that this results in poor efficiency of the energy transfer in actual conditions. But it is high efficiency that is needed to reduce the cost and thermal management challenges, as well as to reduce the environmental impact of wireless inductive charging (Figure 1)."


I'm looking at getting an induction range to replace my 50 years old Frigidaire electric resistance heating coil stove. In talking to the manufacturer, I asked about how pan height above the cook surface might affect the performance, if at all. I've seen some attach tiny feet to the bottom of a pan with a not-flat bottom, or pans that have an outside lip on the bottom. I was told that the induction heating will be negatively affected.

The same holds true for wireless car charging of course. the receiver plate on the car bottom needs to be in a sweet spot zone to function well. The further away the receiver is, the less power it will get, increasing the inefficiency (power lost via charging).
 

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There was a company that sold an inductive charging kit for the Gen 1 Volt and early Tesla Model S. Other than the up-front cost there is very little energy penalty using inductive charging.
 
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Some (Michigan) are playing with induction charging coils embedded in the road. Charge as you drive.

I like the concept, but that sounds VERY expensive given road construction and maintenance costs, and how would the driver get charged? Seems like an urban-only solution, but who pays? My guess is it would work like a tollway where you activate the charging via a window mounted gizmo that connects to the charge system and meters the juice flowing through the receiver plate. Just put the money into keeping the roads in good shape and pothole free.

 

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(By "very little", we mean "about another 15%" over losses from wired EVSE charging.)
Actually less than 5% loss over wired EVSE charging. Wired charging uses inductive systems internally. The key is how close are the two parts of the inductive system.
 

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Some (Michigan) are playing with induction charging coils embedded in the road. Charge as you drive.

I like the concept, but that sounds VERY expensive given road construction and maintenance costs, and how would the driver get charged? Seems like an urban-only solution, but who pays? My guess is it would work like a tollway where you activate the charging via a window mounted gizmo that connects to the charge system and meters the juice flowing through the receiver plate. Just put the money into keeping the roads in good shape and pothole free.

Given how poorly our roads are maintained I think the entire concept of inductive road charging is a pipe dream.
 

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The key is how close are the two parts of the inductive system.
Yup, the closer(even touching) the better. A self lowering receiver plate would help, but imagine when the hydraulic or mechanical system fails and it won't come back up. We already know stuff under the car gets salted, rusted, hit by stones and road debris. So the plate remains fixed in place, maybe as part of a skid plate? :)
 

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Actually less than 5% loss over wired EVSE charging. Wired charging uses inductive systems internally. The key is how close are the two parts of the inductive system.
I'm just quoting what every review of the Plugless system said. If you say they're wrong, maybe they're wrong. I never liked the idea because it seemed that fussing around with parking in exactly the same spot every time was a lot more of a bother than taking five seconds to plug in a cord.
 

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Sounds interesting and promising. Cost? Potential downsides?

I note the caveats "nearly ready", "may rollout in the next few years", "not intended for cars"
 
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