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EV Startups Fisker, Nikola, Lucid Sink On Wide Losses, Output Cuts. Rivian next?

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I read a quote that said making EV's is easy, making an EV car company is hard.

The EV startups Fisker (FSR) and Nikola (FSR) missed Wall Street's estimates early Tuesday after Lucid (LCID) fell short late Monday. Rivian (RIVN) is on deck late Tuesday. FSR stock, NKLA stock and LCID stock all tanked in Tuesday morning trade. Analysts expect Rivian to lose $1.61 per share, widening from a $1.42 loss a year ago. Revenue is seen surging 596% to $661 million.

A price war in the electric-vehicle market and a bankruptcy warning from a troubled peer set the tone for the week's earnings reports.

Investors are placing heightened emphasis on cash burn and production targets, amid recession fears and the Lordstown warning. Even Tesla (TSLA) recently gave a cautious production outlook. Its price cuts earlier this year set off an EV price war, while adding to pressure on the startups.

Going forward, traditional auto giants such as General Motors (GM) and Ford Motor (F) are set to significantly expand their EV output.

I would worry about future warranty (an after warranty) work when buying a car from a startup.

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Don't forget Rivian has Amazon behind them. Rivian's been delivering EDVs to Amazon for the past several months.
True, but Amazon won't buy them for solely that business alone whereas the Saudi's have endless money to dump into Lucid. My guess is either Rivian stays a niche market player if they can control their cash burn, or they will be sold to another large manufacturer.
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I read somewhere that Rivian would like to get out of their "exclusive" production deal with Amazon so they could sell their Electric Delivery Vans to other customers...

Sounds like a smart move to me, but who knows.... 🤔
I read somewhere that Rivian would like to get out of their "exclusive" production deal with Amazon so they could sell their Electric Delivery Vans to other customers...

Sounds like a smart move to me, but who knows.... 🤔
And Rivian is surely feeling GM’s ZEVO-degree heat. Brightdrops’s ZEVO 600 is already in full production and the ZEVO 400 - a similarly-sized direct competitor to Rivian’s EDV - is scheduled to start production Q4 this year, set to capture a huge delivery van EV market share that Rivian will have to pass on.
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And Rivian is surely feeling GM’s ZEVO-degree heat. Brightdrops’s ZEVO 600 is already in full production and the ZEVO 400 - a similarly-sized direct competitor to Rivian’s EDV - is scheduled to start production Q4 this year, set to capture a huge delivery van EV market share that Rivian will have to pass on.
I suspect fleet managers trend toward being risk adverse. While they may buy a few Rivian's to "sample", would they stick their necks out for them vs. GM or Ford?
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I suspect fleet managers trend toward being risk adverse. While they may buy a few Rivian's to "sample", would they stick their necks out for them vs. GM or Ford?
3 prime words for commercial fleets…service, service, service. A down commercial vehicle is lost $$$ for every day it is out of service. Brightdrop owners probably will have access to GM Evolve, GM’s commercial fleet support system. many fleets have in-house service techs, but they rely on the OEM fleet support both for training, expert advice and parts. No startup, not even Tesla, can provide that nation-wide level of local service confidence.
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GM Evolve, GM’s commercial fleet support system
Yup, see related thread HVACman. https://www.equinoxevforum.com/thre...irect-aim-at-ford’s-fleet-business.466/unread
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