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Flush door handles are the car industry’s latest safety problem

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Flush door handles are the car industry’s latest safety problem

Bloomberg's Dana Hull has a deeply reported article that looks at the problem of Tesla's door handles, which fail when the cars lose power. The electric vehicle manufacturer chose not to use conventional door locks in its cars, preferring to use IP-based electronic controls. While the front seat occupants have always had a physical latch that can open the door, it took some years for the automaker to add emergency releases for the rear doors, and even now that it has, many rear-seat Tesla passengers will be unaware of where to find or how to operate the emergency release. A power failure also affects first responders' ability to rescue occupants, and Hull's article details a number of tragic fatal crashes where the occupants of a crashed Tesla were unable to escape the smoke and flames of their burning cars.

Chinese authorities have been concerned about retractable door handles for some time now and are reportedly close to banning them from 2027. Flush-fit door handles fail far more often during side impacts than regular handles, delaying egress or rescue time after a crash. During heavy rain, flush-fit door handles have short-circuited, trapping people in their cars. Chinese consumers have even reported an increase in finger injuries as they get trapped or pinched.

That's plenty of safety risk, but what about the benefit to vehicle efficiency? As it turns out, it doesn't actually help that much. Adding flush door handles cuts the drag coefficient (Cd) by around 0.01. You really need to know a car's frontal area as well as its Cd, but this equates to perhaps a little more than a mile of EPA range, perhaps two under Europe's Worldwide Harmonised Light vehicles Test Procedure.

If automakers were that serious about drag reduction, we'd see many more EVs riding on smaller wheels.
The rotation of the wheels and tires is one of the greatest contributors to drag, yet the stylists' love of huge wheels means most EVs you'll find on the front lot of a dealership will struggle to match their official efficiency numbers (not to mention suffering from a worse ride).
 
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The article blames flush handles, in a generic sense, for being a safety hazard. Tesla’s handle design may be a problem, but the Equinox EV has flush fitting handles that can be operated manually with no power, whether inside or outside (if unlocked) the vehicle. While I would love to see these flush handles go away for convenience reasons, suggesting that all flush handle designs are a safety concern is misleading.
 
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Flush handles aren't the safety issue. It's the fact that many car manufacturers, including GM, have instituted things like child locks in the rear as well as making the emergency door release something different from the regular handle an issue.

  • Child safety locks should only work while the vehicle is running - at all other times the back doors must be openable from the inside.
  • GM's general method of opening a locked door by pulling twice plays to human nature. The concept of putting your emergency interior door release elsewhere should be banned. Even GM has some vehicles that fail this human factors engineering test.
  • Flush door handles like those on the Equinox EV can be opened by pushing on the front of the handle. Tesla's can as well. I don't have the information on whether or not these handles fail more often after side impacts but it wouldn't surprise me if they do.
 
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Flush door handles like those on the Equinox EV can be opened by pushing on the front of the handle. Tesla's can as well. I don't have the information on whether or not these handles fail more often after side impacts but it wouldn't surprise me if they do.
On this point specifically, I'm not 100% sure but my understanding is that on Teslas, these "handles" are functionally merely fancy buttons that actuate a motor to unlatch the door. And then, yes you use it to pull the door fully open. But the point is I'm pretty sure these handles aren't mechanically coupled to the door latch. This is a significant design flaw, in my opinion.

Again, not 100% sure and maybe varies across models. Please correct me if I'm wrong!
 
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GM's handles do not require power to open from the inside, they are mechanical unlike Tesla's. The Tesla's can be opened without power from the inside but you need to use a "secret" mechanical pull located toward the floor. THAT'S a bad design as it's non-obvious.
 
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The exterior handles is one of the major things I don't like about the EQ and could definitely do without. I didn't even know you could pop the handle out by pushing on the front of it until I randomly tried it. I thought the way to do that was to swipe the little touch part a different direction. I don't know why I thought that. Could be that the "knowledgable" sales guy that was shoveling a bunch of BS at me about the car when I test drove said it.
 
#10 ·
The buttons on other cars in Chevy's lineup (including the Blazer EV!) do unlock the doors, so it would be reasonable (for you or the salesperson) to think that the little rectangle has a similar function.

Honestly it's kinda dumb that it doesn't work that way. Instead they put an additional sensor on the back side of the handle to unlock. That doesn't work if you pull on the handle too quickly.
 
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This applies to the front door handles but there is no switch under the rear of the rear door handles. in addition, on all 4 handles you can mechanically tip the handle outward by pushing in on the front of the handle whether the car has power or not.
 
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"Tesla design chief Franz von Holzhausen said in a podcast Wednesday that the company is looking to combine the manual and electronic release mechanisms in the doors, which are now separate, in order to make escaping the car easier and quicker in a “panic situation.”

“The idea of combining the electronic one and the manual one together into one button, I think, makes a lot of sense,” he said in an interview for Bloomberg’s Hot Pursuit! podcast. “That’s something that we’re working on.”

But unlikely to retrofit into existing cars?