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Munro tears down Ultium Battery Pack (Hummer EV)

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The Equinox pack will be smaller and lighter and more efficient than the larger Hummer's version.
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Would be nice to see the Ultium team addressing the price/production/performance tradeoffs that were made.

Odd there was no mention made of wireless communication, repairability to replace a bad brick and compare those to the "others" they have seen...
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Odd there was no mention made of wireless communication, repairability to replace a bad brick, and compare those to the "others" they have seen...
They don't read this form, they know little, lol.
Munro is also a Tesla fanboy and investor he and his team will be biased with this teardown.
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EV's look good on paper. EV's look really good if you want to save the planet and go Green. EV's are excellent for thumbing your nose at Middle East/Russian oil and large oil companies. Etc. But since EV technology is so new and yet unproven over a long period of time, what you get today inside your EV, might not be what you get inside your 2025 EV or 2026 EV, or 2027 EV, etc. It.s not like EV manufacturers are building EV's blind but more what looks good today might not look good 16 months from now. Be it current EV's/batteries in production, on the blackboard or AI developed. Maybe I'm over stating things and once we get a solid picture of long term EV batteries - everything will work out.

Yet for now (being 1 to 5 years) I'm leaning towards a hybrid motor for stability and hopeful high resale value. Yea - EV's are the future but starting to wonder when future becomes a 99% guarantee that what you bought at GM, Ford, Toyota, Honda, etc., (EV wise) holds up long term as a good purchase versus a 2023, 2024 EV purchase being devalued because of faulty this or that, or worse some new and better EV/battery technology coming down the road. Change is good but right now things are changing too quickly and everyone seems to be going in different directions regarding EV development. Boy this sounds like AI baloney.
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They're talking about efficiency when dealing with a Hummer. No Hummer is efficient.

  • Steel battery pack frames are far stronger than aluminum.
  • GM could definitely do better on the number of components for the battery carrier.
  • Two parallel 400 volt packs is what allows GM to support 350KW charging
  • The contactor assembly is complex, but I suspect this is to support the heat pump system
  • I like the thermal runaway barriers in the module
  • They completely missed the coolant structure. Those plastic runs are compressible and will expand when compressed. This allows GM to tighten down the battery module to prevent water leakage.
  • GM has definitely designed to swap out modules, thus the capacity loss when a cell has a problem and won't hold a charge.
  • The nylon lines appear to be designed to last more than the standard 10 years of a cooling hose.
  • Copper is a better conductor than aluminum. Makes for a far better buss bar.

These two guys are clueless when it comes to engineering design tradeoffs.
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EV's look good on paper. EV's look really good if you want to save the planet and go Green. EV's are excellent for thumbing your nose at Middle East/Russian oil and large oil companies. Etc. But since EV technology is so new and yet unproven over a long period of time, what you get today inside your EV, might not be what you get inside your 2025 EV or 2026 EV, or 2027 EV, etc. It.s not like EV manufacturers are building EV's blind but more what looks good today might not look good 16 months from now. Be it current EV's/batteries in production, on the blackboard or AI developed. Maybe I'm over stating things and once we get a solid picture of long term EV batteries - everything will work out.

Yet for now (being 1 to 5 years) I'm leaning towards a hybrid motor for stability and hopeful high resale value. Yea - EV's are the future but starting to wonder when future becomes a 99% guarantee that what you bought at GM, Ford, Toyota, Honda, etc., (EV wise) holds up long term as a good purchase versus a 2023, 2024 EV purchase being devalued because of faulty this or that, or worse some new and better EV/battery technology coming down the road. Change is good but right now things are changing too quickly and everyone seems to be going in different directions regarding EV development. Boy this sounds like AI baloney.
Well, all you need is to look at the past. Tesla was the first EV in this millennium. Then was the Bolt. I'm ignoring the Leaf because that was a piece of crap from day 1.

The battery technology of today is almost identical, the range isn't that far off, same thing with charging times and resale values.

So I don't think there's much to worry about. Look at a turbocharged engine... That exists almost forever now, and you'll rarely hear someone say "I won't buy a car without a turbocharger".
So I don't think there's much to worry about. Look at a turbocharged engine... That exists almost forever now, and you'll rarely hear someone say "I won't buy a car without a turbocharger".
(Weird stuff I learned years ago: Unnaturally aspirated combustion is literally as old as steam engines. The first practical work-doing steam engine of the modern age dating back to 1801 and 1802 used the exhaust from the cylinders send up the chimney ("blastpipe") to increase the flow of air through the firebox, and it was enough boost that "lifting the fire" was a hazard to be avoided with careful valving.)
Steel battery pack frames are far stronger than aluminum.
"But Tesla does aluminum."

GM could definitely do better on the number of components for the battery carrier.
Yup, I wonder if GM will ever make improvements on this design? /s

Two parallel 400 volt packs is what allows GM to support 350KW charging
"We can't say anything negative about that... please don't dwell on that, lol."

The contactor assembly is complex, but I suspect this is to support the heat pump system
From what I read, almost everything supports the heat pump system.

They completely missed the coolant structure. Those plastic runs are compressible and will expand when compressed. This allows GM to tighten down the battery module to prevent water leakage.
It would be awesome to hear the running commentary of the GM engineers on cost/benefit/performance criteria involved while these two pick their way through the pack. We never will, but it would be fun. The GM people might even agree with many observations but post out other factors the two from Munro missed. Keep in mind that Munro's ultimate goal is one part instead of say 100. Laudable, but there are other factors to consider. There are trade-offs.

GM has definitely designed to swap out modules, thus the capacity loss when a cell has a problem and won't hold a charge.
"But Tesla doesn't do this with their battery battery pack. You just replace the whole pack. We don't understand, this must not be a good idea."

The nylon lines appear to be designed to last more than the standard 10 years of a cooling hose.
"But with Tesla you just replace the whole pack if something goes wrong..."

Copper is a better conductor than aluminum. Makes for a far better buss bar.
"But Tesla uses aluminum"

These two guys are clueless when it comes to engineering design tradeoffs.
At a minumum, they did not delve deeply into engineering design tradeoffs.

I did enjoy watching their video, but they seemed to lack the ability to see beyond whatever Tesla does must be the one true way mindset. I think some of the observations on parts count for the frame enclosure are valid, but I suspect that and others will be addressed over time as GM does iteration, 2, 3, 4, etc.

But I agree they did not seem to come at this from the "why would they do it this way" angle as much as they did from "this is not what we are used to". Again, no mention of the fact the modules could be replaced, no mention of mixing different chemistry even different form factors. Those completely escaped their notice.
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For those wondering why GM chose steel over aluminum.

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For those wondering why GM chose steel over aluminum.
Those 23 OSB sheets weigh about 1700 pounds (or the approximate weigh of a Hummer EV battery pack), lol. Plus the plywood sheets.

Of course we are assuming the Ford truck owner was not using this as a method to custom counter the tailgate...
but I suspect that and others will be addressed over time as GM does iteration, 2, 3, 4, etc.
GM is actually in the process of replacing the packs in the Hummer to resolve a water leak issue.... they are going from version 1 to version 3 packs. xD

This pack tear down was likely a version 1 pack.
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