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BugsEUV

I just wanted to say hi!

My wife and I both have EUVs.

On the left is “Bugs,” a 2022 Premier with S&S

On the right is “Daffy,” a 2023 LT with comfort and driver’s confidence packages.

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Steverino

· #21 · 10 d ago

BugsEUV said:
Would you agree that after the Volt, you wanted to do away with gas stations forever?

Yes, the Volt is a great (the best) gateway drug experience to go electric, Bugs. It really taught us what our actual needs were, the ins and outs of EV driving and what living with an EV is like (I have no idea what gas prices are anymore).

When the Bolt came out, I knew it would fit our needs especially regarding long commutes and winter driving miles. My wife's commute was 70 miles RT, so I thought of the Bolt as a 70 mile Volt with a 180 mile spare battery. With the new Bolt battery (February, due to the recall), we now get an estimated 300 to 330 mile range.

So yes, the Volt led us to replace our other car with the Bolt and the Bolt confirms that we can replace the Volt with an Equinox EV.

Funny thing is, all three are about the same price. The Volt was US$36,500 after tax credit, the Bolt was a little less than that with tax credit and GM discount dollars, and I expect the Equinox will be in the same general area after tax credit. But the Equinox will be a step up from the Volt it replaces. Hard to beat the current Bolt prices after tax credit though!

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Evan1

· #22 · 10 d ago

smallb1980 said:
thats exactly what mine started to do. and it was colder weather that caused it, you can google it a known issue in community . Easy fix is look up cx-5 2018 nav sd card , it solved my issue .

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BugsEUV

Discussion Starter · #23 · 10 d ago

I think both of you guys are going to very quickly get over your feelings about your Mazdas. I am in no way indicating that Mazdas aren’t cars to deserve loyalty to. What I am thinking is the mind boggling realization that every ICE vehicle is a PITA that requires constant maintenance, and is going to put the owner in a state of hypertension every time the price of fuel goes up. I am in California, and I was literally in shock as I passed gas station after gas station with prices per gallon north of $6. I was SO glad that the most I would ever be doing in a gas station is washing the windshield.

I have had to chuckle when people see my Bolt and ask me about the “nuisance” of it taking so much of my time to get it charged. Like it has to go to a public charging facility or something. I asked them “How can you deal with the “nuisance” of being forced to get fuel at a public facility? I get home, I plug in the car, and I have a full tank every day.”

The convenience of a battery EV is only a concern when you’re going to be driving round trip farther than the range of the EV. That can be scary until a new EV owner gets a couple DCFC charging sessions under the belt. Even a slow charging EV like a Bolt is not going to be a PITA nearly as often as every ICE car ever made.

Yes. I give you both about 6 months of ownership of any EV with a 200+ range to be saying that you didn’t realize how much you actually don’t like the last ICE vehicle you owned. Unless it’s a Porsche 👹

I’m just kidding. But I am also Nostradamus about the typical driver after owning an EV. You will never look back 👍

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smallb1980

· #24 · 10 d ago

BugsEUV said:
I think both of you guys are going to very quickly get over your feelings about your Mazdas. I am in no way indicating that Mazdas aren’t cars to deserve loyalty to. What I am thinking is the mind boggling realization that every ICE vehicle is a PITA that requires constant maintenance, and is going to put the owner in a state of hypertension every time the price of fuel goes up. I am in California, and I was literally in shock as I passed gas station after gas station with prices per gallon north of $6. I was SO glad that the most I would ever be doing in a gas station is washing the windshield.

I have had to chuckle when people see my Bolt and ask me about the “nuisance” of it taking so much of my time to get it charged. Like it has to go to a public charging facility or something. I asked them “How can you deal with the “nuisance” of being forced to get fuel at a public facility? I get home, I plug in the car, and I have a full tank every day.”

The convenience of a battery EV is only a concern when you’re going to be driving round trip farther than the range of the EV. That can be scary until a new EV owner gets a couple DCFC charging sessions under the belt. Even a slow charging EV like a Bolt is not going to be a PITA nearly as often as every ICE car ever made.

Yes. I give you both about 6 months of ownership of any EV with a 200+ range to be saying that you didn’t realize how much you actually don’t like the last ICE vehicle you owned. Unless it’s a Porsche 👹

I’m just kidding. But I am also Nostradamus about the typical driver after owning an EV. You will never look back 👍

Oh trust me Im with you on that, I want the EV pretty bad, and patience isn't my strongest virtue, but I really want to get into the equinox EV. My biggest worry as mentioned numerous times in other posts, will I be able to get one within their first "batch" of production whatever number that maybe. I do have my deposit at my local dealer ( not every dealer does this) but its a refundable deposit and it narrows their lists to more serious buyers. Im sitting at #6 in line but worry once again on how many GM will be able to produce and how many my dealer will get allocated. If they say something crazy like 2 years. I may have to go with another EV. Heck I already installed my ev charger in garage before getting one lol.

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Evan1

· #25 · 10 d ago

BugsEUV said:
I think both of you guys are going to very quickly get over your feelings about your Mazdas. I am in no way indicating that Mazdas aren’t cars to deserve loyalty to. What I am thinking is the mind boggling realization that every ICE vehicle is a PITA that requires constant maintenance, and is going to put the owner in a state of hypertension every time the price of fuel goes up. I am in California, and I was literally in shock as I passed gas station after gas station with prices per gallon north of $6. I was SO glad that the most I would ever be doing in a gas station is washing the windshield.

I have had to chuckle when people see my Bolt and ask me about the “nuisance” of it taking so much of my time to get it charged. It has to go to a public charging facility or something. I asked them “How can you deal with the “nuisance” of being forced to get fuel at a public facility? I get home, I plug in the car, and I have a full tank every day.”

The convenience of a battery EV is only a concern when you’re going to be driving round trip farther than the range of the EV. That can be scary until a new EV owner gets a couple of DCFC charging sessions under the belt. Even a slow-charging EV like a Bolt is not going to be a PITA nearly as often as every ICE car ever made.

Yes. I give you both about 6 months of ownership of any EV with a 200+ range to be saying that you didn’t realize how much you actually don’t like the last ICE vehicle you owned. Unless it’s a Porsche 👹

I’m just kidding. But I am also Nostradamus about the typical driver after owning an EV. You will never look back 👍

Well, I never owned an EV before, so all I know about ownership is ICE. I can't stand paying for inspections (EVs are much less in cost), oil changes, and filling and breathing in fumes. As mentioned in other posts, the Japanese are slow with EV adoption as they have had grid and electricity problems since the Fukushima disaster and probably felt safer with hydrogen, however, their mindset has changed and will focus on EVs. Mazda is a great company but they don't have a fully-fledged EV as of yet otherwise I would have gone with one of them. GM has really pushed the envelope and got a lot of attention with their Ultium models. I also like that it has AWD, a great design, size, and a price category that won't make me regret paying later on. The vast majority of EVs are still expensive.

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BugsEUV

Discussion Starter · #26 · 10 d ago

Steverino said:
Yes, the Volt is a great (the best) gateway drug experience to go electric, Bugs. It really taught us what our actual needs were, the ins and outs of EV driving and what living with an EV is like (I have no idea what gas prices are anymore).

When the Bolt came out, I knew it would fit our needs especially regarding long commutes and winter driving miles. My wife's commute was 70 miles RT, so I thought of the Bolt as a 70 mile Volt with a 180 mile spare battery. With the new Bolt battery (February, due to the recall), we now get an estimated 300 to 330 mile range.

So yes, the Volt led us to replace our other car with the Bolt and the Bolt confirms that we can replace the Volt with an Equinox EV.

Funny thing is, all three are about the same price. The Volt was US$36,500 after tax credit, the Bolt was a little less than that with tax credit and GM discount dollars, and I expect the Equinox will be in the same general area after tax credit. But the Equinox will be a step up from the Volt it replaces. Hard to beat the current Bolt prices after tax credit though!

We have very similar experiences. I spent more than $36k OTD on the Volt, as it was a premium with Veridian Joule paint @ $2k extra.

The 2020 Bolt EV I purchased at the beginning of April 2021 was an October ‘20 built date, and I got just under $17k in dealer mark-down ($2.3k), $11.5k GM incentives, and another $3k Costco incentive. My 2020 premier was reduced to $27k plus tax/lic.

The 2022 EUV was an almost straight trade for the 2020 that GM trade repurchased from me. It cost me exactly $607 for the $41k MSRP EUV premier with sun and sound. So my actual price was $27.6k. But I almost forgot the state and local rebates for $7.5k, so I am actually invested for less than $24k OTD for the 2022.

We bought the 2023 EUV LT (technically a 2LT minus the leather seats and wheels option) for the MSRP of $29,680 plus tx/lic, also minus the $7500 state and local rebates.

I didn’t get the federal tax credit for anything but the 2013 Volt, and since it isn’t a roll-over tax credit, I didn’t even get the full $7500 for the tax credit for the year. I am just a middle income guy who doesn’t pay a ton of income taxes.

The price of Chevrolet EVs have really decreased since they lost the previous federal tax credit. I didn’t even start to care that I missed the fed credit on the 2023 purchased on December 9 of last year. If I had waited 22 days, I would not have the car. It’s not like it’s easy to buy a Bolt since the middle of last year. I actually locked up the 2023 EUV the same day that my dealer got the order acceptance, which was in August of last year.

But I will still say that all of your Chevy EVs have still been well worth the price you have paid or are anticipated to pay. Why? Because they are a good deal as compared to the competitors for $36-40k.

What else does one get for under $40k? A Leaf? Even a Striped Kona is $40k.

Chevrolet has the most car for the lowest prices of any EV out there. They are a remarkably great value. It amazes me that anyone would consider buying anything else. But the typical person hears Tesla-Tesla-Tesla, and then falls for the hype. Both of my EUVs are collectively less expensive than a 2-motor model 3 or Y. I would much rather have the 2 EUVs. Too many Teslas in CA. They remind me of the Prius by the shear numbers. That and is it just me, or does every Tesla look the same regardless of model? No thanks Elon.

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BugsEUV

Discussion Starter · #27 · 10 d ago

smallb1980 said:
Oh trust me Im with you on that, I want the EV pretty bad, and patience isn't my strongest virtue, but I really want to get into the equinox EV. My biggest worry as mentioned numerous times in other posts, will I be able to get one within their first "batch" of production whatever number that maybe. I do have my deposit at my local dealer ( not every dealer does this) but its a refundable deposit and it narrows their lists to more serious buyers. Im sitting at #6 in line but worry once again on how many GM will be able to produce and how many my dealer will get allocated. If they say something crazy like 2 years. I may have to go with another EV. Heck I already installed my ev charger in garage before getting one lol. View attachment 743

You are truly ready for the next step! Awesome 😎

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Evan1

· #28 · 10 d ago

BugsEUV said:
You are truly ready for the next step! Awesome 😎

He has the Canadian snow shovel and lopping sheers to go w/ the new Ev, lol

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Discussion Starter · #29 · 10 d ago

Evan1 said:
Well, I never owned an EV before, so all I know about ownership is ICE. I can't stand paying for inspections (EVs are much less in cost), oil changes, and filling and breathing in fumes. As mentioned in other posts, the Japanese are slow with EV adoption as they have had grid and electricity problems since the Fukushima disaster and probably felt safer with hydrogen, however, their mindset has changed and will focus on EVs. Mazda is a great company but they don't have a fully-fledged EV as of yet otherwise I would have gone with one of them. GM has really pushed the envelope and got a lot of attention with their Ultium models. I also like that it has AWD, a great design, size, and a price category that won't make me regret paying later on. The vast majority of EVs are still expensive.

The Japanese will eventually get around to making a BEV worth buying. But in the meantime, they are going to miss the big wave that will be coming in the next 4-5 years.

You don’t want the Mazda MX-30 with the 100 miles of battery range? It’s ok, you don’t need to answer. I don’t understand why Mazda bothered, other than it’s obviously a compliance car.

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smallb1980

· #30 · 10 d ago

Evan1 said:
He has the Canadian snow shovel and lopping sheers to go w/ the new Ev, lol

lmao you remember the other picture

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Evan1

· #31 · 10 d ago

BugsEUV said:
The Japanese will eventually get around to making a BEV worth buying. But in the meantime, they are going to miss the big wave that will be coming in the next 4-5 years.

You don’t want the Mazda MX-30 with the 100 miles of battery range? It’s ok, you don’t need to answer. I don’t understand why Mazda bothered, other than it’s obviously a compliance car.

Not offered on the East Coast, plus it lacks AWD.

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smallb1980

· #32 · 10 d ago

Evan1 said:
Not offered on the East Coast, plus it lacks AWD.

I think the Japanese auto industry is a joke in North America when it comes to EV's they are so far behind.

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BugsEUV

Discussion Starter · #33 · 9 d ago

So if Mazda did sell its compliance EV on the east coast, and it offered AWD as an option, you would buy it just because it is a Mazda? It’s not exactly a good deal:

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Starting at $34k for a BEV with 100 miles of range and no option for a bigger battery? Every other sub-200 mile range BEV is less expensive. Even the base Nissan Leaf has 150 miles of range and for a good deal less than $30k.

It’s great that you have enjoyed your Mazda so much that you will always look to Mazda for your next car. If that next car is going to be a BEV, I am afraid that you will have several years of waiting for a Mazda.

Maxda wants to continue to sell ICE vehicles in ZEV states, so they are offering the MX-30 EV so that they can. That’s where you can buy one. I live in California where electric vehicles are becoming very common. I can’t say that I have ever seen a single MX-30 EV on the road and yet it is definitely for sale here. I suspect that no one is interested in buying one 🤔

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