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Return of Honda Prelude (as an EV)? Pleaseeee!

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Honda electric sports car could be unveiled this year
Could it be a return of the Prelude?

BEN HSU

May 16th 2023 at 5:07PM

(Above, concept of the Honda EV Sport)

A report out of the U.K. suggests that Honda might unveil an electric sports car later this year. A year ago, the company stated that it would build two sports cars as part of a bigger push to release 30 EV models by 2030, a $40 billion investment. It was assumed that a sports car would be low on the priority list, but a European company exec now suggests otherwise.

In speaking with Tom Gardner, Honda's European VP, Autocar learned that the first of the two Honda electric sports cars could arrive as early as this year. "Watch this space: [2023 is] 75 years — we had the S2000 at 50," Gardner said, referencing how the S2000 was revealed in 1998 in honor of Honda Motor's 50th anniversary. However, he did hedge with a "Who knows …"

Honda Motor was founded in 1948 and started out making motorized bicycles and motorcycles. The S2000 roadster was a spiritual successor to Honda's first passenger car, the two-seat, open-top sports car called the S500 that debuted in 1963.

However, it's also possible that the sports car may not be an S2000 successor. In the 2030 EV roadmap, CEO Toshihiro Mibe specifically mentioned "specialty" and "flagship" sports cars. In Japan, a specialty car typically refers to sporty coupes like the Toyota Celica, Mazda MX-6 or Honda Prelude. However, an earlier report from Japan predicted that the specialty EV would not be ready until 2028 because Honda wants to put solid-state batteries in it and has stated the technology would not be ready until the latter half of the decade.

As for the flagship, that's widely assumed to be the next NSX. Even before the second-generation supercar was sunset, Acura head Jon Ikeda was already hinting at an EV successor.
"We love a sports car. We love the performance, and we're very grateful for the strong reaction we've had to the latest Type R. There is a huge demand for it," Gardner told Autocar. He also reaffirmed the company's brand direction. "We will characterize the brand, particularly in Europe, as two words – we work very closely with R&D to ensure that our products will embody this – which are 'advanced' and 'sporty'."

If we had to bet, we'd guess that the curtain will be pulled back on Honda's first EV sports later rather than sooner. A 2028 debut would still coincide with the company's 80th anniversary. However, even if it's not a new S2000 or Prelude, it seems that something still might be brewing for the 75th.

I found these images which may or may not be the real deal.
It would be nice if this was offered in the US.

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I like how the first rendering channels the Honda E-Car.... 😎👍

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I like how the first rendering channels the Honda E-Car.... 😎👍

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Yes, I agree with you. Today's Hondas are too big and bland looking. The little E is Honda personified.
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That first one (EV Sport concept) looks like a cartoony rendering of a 1968 AMX, but I like it. The grey one wouldn't look out of place with a Lotus badge on it, IMO, thinking that could be an e-NSX?
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That first one (EV Sport concept) looks like a cartoony rendering of a 1968 AMX, but I like it. The grey one wouldn't look out of place with a Lotus badge on it, IMO, thinking that could be an e-NSX?
I really wish American Motors was back in some sort of form, like SAAB. They were truly innovative considering the times: AWD in a coupe and sedan in the late 70s and 80s, wow. That grey model very well might be an NSX but it is hard to say. But what I will say is that once the Japanese perfect solid-state batteries expect even more interesting cars from them. "Godzilla is dormient at the moment", lol.
We keep waiting for the Japanese to wake up.....hmmmm, I'm not so sure....Toyota still doubling-down on mild hybrids and whatnot....

We keep waiting for the Japanese to wake up.....hmmmm, I'm not so sure....Toyota still doubling-down on mild hybrids and whatnot....

They had the Fukushima accident last decade which might explain why they favored hydrogen. Also, solid state tech is much safer which might explain the delay. Most Japanese are cautions people; my spouse is one.
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They had the Fukushima accident last decade which might explain why they favored hydrogen. Also, solid state tech is much safer which might explain the delay. Most Japanese are cautions people; my spouse is one.
How far out is the solid-state battery from commercial use? And if they swing heavily towards hydrogen as a fuel, won't they need a lotta electricity to produce it via electrolysis..? All with no nukes...?

I dunno....I just think Toyota is dragging their heels on EVs just like every other big Organization that enjoys the status quo....
How far out is the solid-state battery from commercial use?
5 (?) years at least and even then it will be for high price tag cars.
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... and when it gets cheap enough to be competitive vs LiIon, GM can make Ultium modules out of those and nobody will notice a change.
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GM can make Ultium modules out of those and nobody will notice a change.
The genius of a standard platform and wireless connectivity of each battery brick.
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The genius of a standard platform and wireless connectivity of each battery brick.
Not sure wireless is the best connection between bricks, with ever-changing wifi standards and the potential for targeted malicious hacking.

But IMO this is GM's advantage over Tesla, replaceable modules each with a BMS, rather than a monolithic construction (technically Tesla uses modules, but only a single BMS that can't deal with module exchange.)

Better for the customer to replace a $2500 module than a $25K battery pack post-warranty. Better for the company to do the same during the warranty period. It's far better environmentally as well.

Now if GM would produce a Model S competitor that wasn't priced in the stratosphere (Celestiq) with this tech.
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Not sure wireless is the best connection between bricks, with ever-changing wifi standards and the potential for targeted malicious hacking.

But IMO this is GM's advantage over Tesla, replaceable modules each with a BMS, rather than a monolithic construction (technically Tesla uses modules, but only a single BMS that can't deal with module exchange.)

Better for the customer to replace a $2500 module than a $25K battery pack post-warranty. Better for the company to do the same during the warranty period. It's far better environmentally as well.

Now if GM would produce a Model S competitor that wasn't priced in the stratosphere (Celestiq) with this tech.
Not only that, but the Tesla "structural battery pack" makes the car basically irreparable in case of serious side impact.....

Similar story with the supposed superiority of the "giga-casting" construction...Henrik Fisker already mocked it as making future bodywork nearly unaffordable...

Cutting edge technology, baby.....just like a throwaway cell phone!!! 🤣
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Not sure wireless is the best connection between bricks, with ever-changing wifi standards and the potential for targeted malicious hacking.
Valid concerns Bignick. There's no reason the think GM does not control the wifi standard it uses regardless of what's happening with you home or office wifi equipment. And they have been thinking (and acting) on the potential hacking threat since 2015. One of the new GM board members is even a cybersecurity expert. But here are some relevant details:

Wireless Battery Management: GM will be first to monitor battery cells wirelessly using the Bluetooth-like 2.4-GHz spectrum, reducing cost, weight, complexity, warranty problems, and space required to solder all those wired connections. It constantly monitors battery health, sharing info with the cloud to detect potential issues with certain battery batches, use cases, etc. Plus, it enables flash reprogramming when retrofitting newer battery chemistries or when repurposing a pack for its second life, perhaps in grid energy storage.

The module-integrated BMS provides several advantages over the traditional method of managing everything at the pack level. Most importantly, it allows GM to manage the output of each module independently. In the traditional approach, each module would be populated with the same type and number of cells and have the same output.

The individual module management allows GM to mix and match modules with different types of cells in the same pack. Over the life of a vehicle, if a battery needs to have a module serviced, it can be replaced with one that has newer cells with a different configuration or chemistry. The module can be reprogrammed to match the output of the rest of the pack. In this way, GM won’t have to stock service parts for every type of cell they use for different applications or change over time as technology improves.

Adding this wireless capability does introduce potential security vulnerabilities if an attacker were able to remotely reprogram the modules. This could allow the vehicle to be disabled or to create safety issues. However, in the course of developing its new Vehicle Intelligence Platform electrical and electronic architecture, over the past several years, GM designed for security and resilience from the beginning. This focus on cybersecurity and resilience extends to the wBMS. GM has not revealed specific details about its approach to security, but the automaker established a dedicated product cybersecurity team back in 2015.


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Not sure wireless is the best connection between bricks, with ever-changing wifi standards and the potential for targeted malicious hacking.
"Wireless" covers a lot more than wifi. Or even any published standard. And GM has had encrypted messaging in the Corvette line for a couple of years now. Decrypt at the OBD port for diagnostic work and you're 100% in compliance.

It doesn't have to be perfect, just more of a hassle than some other method of trying to steal any car in the area.

But IMO this is GM's advantage over Tesla, replaceable modules each with a BMS, rather than a monolithic construction (technically Tesla uses modules, but only a single BMS that can't deal with module exchange.)
And good module flexibility means a lot of things are now possible even if we don't know that they'll be provided for. Like, a failed module could conceivably be isolated meaning your car works fine, just has less range, until you get the module replaced. Or you might be able to just add modules to get more range if you bought a short range car instead of a long range. At minimum, we may start seeing a much more robust market supplying used modules after people start wrecking Ultium cars.
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