[Evan1]

If I don't get the EV perhaps I will go the sedan route and look at the IONIQ 6...

 

[smallb1980]

Good question, EV's so hard to get without waiting a year or so. For me I only want something with AWD for Canadian winters, and something not insanely over priced. The Equinox is def in the price range Im looking for if any suggestions. I want something under the 50 k range (CAD) / 38 k (USD) .

 

[jaymac]

While the Ioniq 6 looks very compelling, the history of the Ionic 5 and the EV 6 points to low supply and price gouging by dealerships.

 

[Steverino]

Worse case for me is to live with one car instead of two and wait until a "fit" comes along. For me, two cars is a very nice to have but not a must have. My wife and I both work from home now, so our car needs have changed from the days when we both had to drive every day.

I lwas initially intrigued by the VW ID.4 or even the Buzz. But after looking into their cabin control software and their battery platform (not a clean sheet EV platform), I've moved on. Hyundai and Kia looked interesting, but the price gouging and the issues it seems they have with dealers not honoring warranty work have kind of cooled me there as well. Tesla, pass. So I keep coming back to what I see as the best overall fit for me on range, price, styling, cabin controls, battery architecture, warranty: GM's Equinox EV.

 

[obermd]

I'll order the Equinox EV and continue driving my Volt.

 

[Evan1]

Worse case for me is to live with one car instead of two and wait until a "fit" comes along. For me, two cars is a very nice to have but not a must-have. My wife and I both work from home now, so our car needs have changed from the days when we both had to drive every day.

I was initially intrigued by the VW ID.4 or even the Buzz. But after looking into their cabin control software and their battery platform (not a clean sheet EV platform), I've moved on. Hyundai and Kia looked interesting, but the price gouging and the issues it seems they have with dealers not honoring warranty work have kind of cooled me there as well. Tesla, pass. So I keep coming back to what I see as the best overall fit for me on the range, price, styling, cabin controls, battery architecture, and warranty: GM's Equinox EV.

I did hear VW will return to physical control after all dissatisfaction out there. Expect these changes soon. VW is also betting big on Quantumscape (QS) solid states batteries as their 'savior' which will probably mean an entirely new architecture. Toyota is also in the same boat as VW. Sad.

 

[Mapleev]

I have a deposit down on an Ioniq 5 and I would be one of the first in line at the dealer for a 2024. I will be disappointed if I do not get the Equinox EV. I think it will be a great affordable EV, having said that, I also believe the Ioniq 5 is the class of the field.

 

[CTAPRN]

I love the look of the Ioniq 6 but two issues for me:

• 1 the trim with the panoramic fixed glass roof and AWD (Limited) get 270 miles. That's a huge drop in efficiency and only 15 miles (EPA rating) more than my ID.4 with the same 20" wheels, glass roof, AWD.
• Cargo space is ~12 ft3 I think. That's unfortunately far too small.

However, I am interested in the VW ID.7, pending specs:

• does the AWD model get at least 300 miles
• is the cargo space sufficient (it's labeled a fastback officially [hatchback, in a practical sense]), so that makes me think possibly more cargo space.
• if VW has production in N.A. (otherwise no tax credit)

My interest in a sedan is if it gets significant highway distance over my ID.4. If push comes to shove, I might consider a RWD option (which will inevitably be cheaper) and then buy a set of winter tires. As they say, AWD helps you go, tires help you stop. We don't often get deep snow where I am (coastline of Connecticut), so it could be okay.

Otherwise:

• Ioniq 5 (depending on when Hyundai's manufacturing plant is up and running in Georgia)
• Mach E
• EV6 (also pending manufacturing plants),
• Porsche Taycan (lol...just kidding, I can't afford that)

Brief note on ID.4 (as I own a 2023 AWD Pro S): all the reviews about complaints with the infotainment system is overblown and almost exclusively focused on the 2021 models that have had real issues with getting updates to the most recent software version (it needs a new 12V battery installed and several hours at the dealership and now there is a delay on that). But that issue only applies if you own a 2021. I've had zero software issues 2000 miles in. Also, the capacitive touch I was wary of, now I really don't mind it so much. I would prefer actual buttons and a backlit slider for climate and volume on the infotainment screen, but those are hardly deal breakers. Range is underpromised and overdelivered: I just did at 170 mile trip in 45F and averaged 3.4 mi/kWh (3.3 [255 miles] is the EPA estimate for this model/trim/drivetrain...so I will likely exceed this in late spring...possibly closer to 280 miles which is what GM is noting for the AWD versions of the Equinox). I also have been getting 2.9 mi/kWh on average this winter (I live in CT), so it's still not bad without the heat pump. However, I was originally all about getting into an Ioniq 5 but sadly started looking for an EV the day after the Inflation Reduction Act was signed into law and immediately missed out on the tax credit, so that was out for us (though, admittedly, as @Steverino mentioned, they're hard to come by - I did find a local dealership willing to sell MSRP...but it was still without the $7500 USD tax credit...so, again, that was out for us). Overall, the ID.4 has been a wonderful experience. I wouldn't count the ID.4 out completely.

 

[MaybeFutureBuyer]

Maybe a plug-in hybrid at about the same price-point (after rebates). Thinking about the outlander PHEV or something. Or maybe just a cheap ICE vehicle (like the RVR) for another 10 years... By then, I'm sure we'll have plenty of EV choices for everyone. Probably ONLY EV choices FROM everyone.

 

[nathan.green7676]

Maybe a plug-in hybrid at about the same price-point (after rebates). Thinking about the outlander PHEV or something. Or maybe just a cheap ICE vehicle (like the RVR) for another 10 years... By then, I'm sure we'll have plenty of EV choices for everyone. Probably ONLY EV choices FROM everyone.

I test drove the Outlander PHEV and came away impressed and surprised.

Interior is very nice. It drives very much like an EV with a single speed transmission. It has a similar setup to the Volt where the ICE is charging the battery vs driving the wheels. It feels much more like a true EV than the Kia/Hyundai PHEVs. Like it much better than the Rav4 Prime

 

[Steverino]

Well, Toyota has new management that seems to be interested in changing course on EV's. It seems they are now going to pursue EV's with an "EV first" policy, whatever that eventually comes to mean. But the Lexus brand will be the pointed tip of the spear for Toyota's EV efforts going forward. I think they've decided to be a bit more aggressive on the EV side rather than what seemed to be a, "Oh, we have an EV around here somewhere" approach that seemed more focused on PHEV's than BEV's.

I do think there is a market for PHEV's for people that want to dip their toe in the EV water's but also drive very long distances regularly with limited public charging access.

 

[ontheroad]

I have a Fisker Ocean pre-order. Nice car, but I am leery of maintenance problems and possible delivery issues. Also, the cheaper Sport version is only available with all-black interior, which is a dealbreaker for me in SoCal. I like the form factor of the Kona, but it's old architecture now, and I would lose about 50 miles. So i think I would just wait another year..... I have solar, so EV is the way to go for sure.

 

[CTAPRN]

I see so many Kona EVs here in CT - honestly, it seems to be a great car. Very efficient. The only downside for me is the DCFC being limited to 100kW peak rate. If it was just touch faster (150kW), that'd make a huge difference. But for shorter trips and a city car - fantastic.

 

[Evan1]

I love the look of the Ioniq 6 but two issues for me:

• 1 the trim with the panoramic fixed glass roof and AWD (Limited) get 270 miles. That's a huge drop in efficiency and only 15 miles (EPA rating) more than my ID.4 with the same 20" wheels, glass roof, AWD.
• Cargo space is ~12 ft3 I think. That's unfortunately far too small.

However, I am interested in the VW ID.7, pending specs:

• does the AWD model get at least 300 miles
• is the cargo space sufficient (it's labeled a fastback officially [hatchback, in a practical sense]), so that makes me think possibly more cargo space.
• if VW has production in N.A. (otherwise no tax credit)

My interest in a sedan is if it gets significant highway distance over my ID.4. If push comes to shove, I might consider a RWD option (which will inevitably be cheaper) and then buy a set of winter tires. As they say, AWD helps you go, tires help you stop. We don't often get deep snow where I am (coastline of Connecticut), so it could be okay. Otherwise:

• Ioniq 5 (depending on when Hyundai's manufacturing plant is up and running in Georgia)
• Mach E
• EV6 (also pending manufacturing plants),
• Porsche Taycan (lol...just kidding, I can't afford that)

Brief note on ID.4 (as I own a 2023 AWD Pro S): all the reviews about complaints with the infotainment system is overblown and almost exclusively focused on the 2021 models that have had real issues with getting updates to the most recent software version (it needs a new 12V battery installed and several hours at the dealership and now there is a delay on that). But that issue only applies if you own a 2021. I've had zero software issues 2000 miles in. Also, the capacitive touch I was wary of, now I really don't mind it so much. I would prefer actual buttons and a backlit slider for climate and volume on the infotainment screen, but those are hardly deal breakers. Range is underpromised and overdelivered: I just did at 170 mile trip in 45F and averaged 3.4 mi/kWh (3.3 [255 miles] is the EPA estimate for this model/trim/drivetrain...so I will likely exceed this in late spring...possibly closer to 280 miles which is what GM is noting for the AWD versions of the Equinox). I also have been getting 2.9 mi/kWh on average this winter (I live in CT), so it's still not bad without the heat pump. However, I was originally all about getting into an Ioniq 5 but sadly started looking for an EV the day after the Inflation Reduction Act was signed into law and immediately missed out on the tax credit, so that was out for us (though, admittedly, as @Steverino mentioned, they're hard to come by - I did find a local dealership willing to sell MSRP...but it was still without the $7500 USD tax credit...so, again, that was out for us). Overall, the ID.4 has been a wonderful experience. I wouldn't count the ID.4 out completely.

I believe the IONIQ 5 features a fixed glass roof whereas the IONIQ 6 has an available sliding glass roof.

 

[CTAPRN]

I believe the IONIQ 5 features a fixed glass roof whereas the IONIQ 6 has an available sliding glass roof.

Didn't realize it was a sliding roof for the 6.

 

[Evan1]

I have a Fisker Ocean pre-order. Nice car, but I am leery of maintenance problems and possible delivery issues. Also, the cheaper Sport version is only available with all-black interior, which is a dealbreaker for me in SoCal. I like the form factor of the Kona, but it's old architecture now, and I would lose about 50 miles. So i think I would just wait another year..... I have solar, so EV is the way to go for sure.

The Fisker has by far a great engineering team and production site at Magna Steyr that knows how to assemble cars. The Ocean can also travel pretty far until it needs to be recharged at a 350-mile range with AWD. Being that they don't have any physical stores (as of yet) it's hard to make a choice. Over the summer they displayed one in Brooklyn, NY. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to make it. It would be smart if they were at the New York Auto Show.

 

[ontheroad]

The Sport, which is 37,000 base, is slated to run 250 miles (although no one knows if it will - still hasn't been tested). The cars that are displayed at the car shows (if they show up) will be the top model at close to $70,000. A lot of safety and entertainment options are subscription. If was excited about it, but If the Equinox is decent quality, it will be a much better deal.

 

[CTAPRN]

I also noticed in an Out of Spec Reviews video, Kyle Conner rode in the higher spec’d one with solar panels and it gave a really odd shadow inside the car, so not sure about that either.

 

[RiptideC8]

There is only one thing I'd buy from GM, and that's a V8......

 

[ontheroad]

I also noticed in an Out of Spec Reviews video, Kyle Conner rode in the higher spec’d one with solar panels and it gave a really odd shadow inside the car, so not sure about that either.

I've been inside. The reflection shows up as a grid pattern when the roof is closed. So far they are not offering a shade panel either.