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Watched Electric Vehicle Society presentation by Dr Dahn on YouTube. He recommends max charge 75%. Equinox EV manual says 80% daily charge for “optimum battery health.“. What limit do you use, and why?
I go with 80% as it's what GM recommends and most manufacturers recommend. I've been following that logic since I had my Bolt.
 
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Watched Electric Vehicle Society presentation by Dr Dahn on YouTube. He recommends max charge 75%. Equinox EV manual says 80% daily charge for “optimum battery health.“. What limit do you use, and why?
To me it's something that is a use case basis. I learn how batteries degrade and the causes. Then as much as I can use practices that prolong battery life. If I was unable to charge at home everyday I would charge at higher states of charge maybe beyond 80 percent a lot more than recommended but still I would try to take care not to prematurely degrade the battery. What I'm saying is I'm not going to stress over it but be mindful of it. The same way I try and take care of everything I have. GM and other manufacturers are not saying that you get the best battery health at 80 percent. Their recommendations are based on many factors. They get their raw data from the scientists that are telling you what actually the facts are about degradation. So I can use that information to benefit myself or not.
 
Thanks for the replies! I’m wondering … when I have plenty of juice for my needs for a few days, should I plug in at home anyway? For example today I only went down from 81% to 76%. I don’t need to charge it tonight. But should I plug in anyway? What are the benefits of plugging in (except to top it off which I don’t need to do for a few days)?
I keep ours plugged in, have learned from our first 2 Bolts to just keep them plugged in, The little trickle of electricity costs very little, and you for sure want to do this in winter climes.
 
Thanks for the replies! I’m wondering … when I have plenty of juice for my needs for a few days, should I plug in at home anyway? For example today I only went down from 81% to 76%. I don’t need to charge it tonight. But should I plug in anyway? What are the benefits of plugging in (except to top it off which I don’t need to do for a few days)?
I keep mine plugged in most of the time because if the vehicle needs energy hopefully it can use the evse source if needed especially in hot climate. In my use case in hot weather I never need to charge over 50 percent for any reason. I use less than 10 percent of my battery most days. In winter I raise it a little and on weekends I use 25 percent and I charge it to 60 percent for my every weekend road trip. Michigan doesn't have very hot weather especially in Northern Michigan.
One time I traveled farther than my 50 percent coverage and I stopped for 18 minutes at a dcfc charger and recharged a little.
 
Yes. Even if it's reached it's charge point, the battery will be maintained in it temperature range "happy place" from the wall power, Bio.

Forget the gas engine refueling paradigm of filling up a gas tank to 100% then driving until it's close to empty and refilling again. Instead, keep the battery topped up nightly. It's easy, takes a few seconds to plug in and you always have a "full tank" in the morning.
does the "trickle charge" truly use just a small current charge from the EVSE in this situation? My power utility said they dont need access to a smart charger to check for compliance to their off hours plan, they just hit up the smart meter and look for big draw currents that presumably only the EV 50A circuit will be pulling (we have no electrical appliances other than AC and a sauna that I decommissioned for the EVSE circuit). Assuming this just pulls a minimum of power to keep both the battery happy and pre-heat my cabin before going to work I kinda like this idea.
 
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The 12V AGM battery is maintained by the HV battery, Ctriopelle. The HV battery is of course maintained by the EVSE as needed (battery cooling/heating, cabin preconditioning). So the EVSE is not technically nor actually acting as a 12V trickle charge battery maintainer. Instead, it keeps the HV battery in its happy place.

If your car will be parked outside for a long duration (not plugged in for some weeks, months), then something like a CTEK 12V AGM battery maintainer might be handy to prevent the 12V going bad.

My 2011 Volt's 12V battery was only charged when the car was charging. Later models would use the HV battery as the maintainer but this can cause a drain of course.
 
I go with 80% as it's what GM recommends and most manufacturers recommend. I've been following that logic since I had my Bolt.
Agree. The EQEV already has a built-in 5% reserve, so charging to 80% is actually charging to about 76% of the gross capacity.
 
does the "trickle charge" truly use just a small current charge from the EVSE in this situation?
Here's what ours looks like. My wife always preconditions her Volvo in the morning. In that small bump it's pulling about 0.73 kW.

My utility breaks out our EV usage to tell us how wasteful we are with the rest of our usage. They constantly underestimate it using the method you describe.

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Watched Electric Vehicle Society presentation by Dr Dahn on YouTube. He recommends max charge 75%. Equinox EV manual says 80% daily charge for “optimum battery health.“. What limit do you use, and why?
Watched a couple of his videos. Now I'm totally nerding out on the science of the batteries lol, He gets into different scenarios on what different batteries prefer, but I havent found any good info on what the chemistry of the current batch of EQ EV's are except that they are NMCA. Does anyone here know better detail beyond that??
 
Watched a couple of his videos. Now I'm totally nerding out on the science of the batteries lol, He gets into different scenarios on what different batteries prefer, but I havent found any good info on what the chemistry of the current batch of EQ EV's are except that they are NMCA. Does anyone here know better detail beyond that??
The only information that I've found is gm uses a higher nickel content, don't know if it's 80ish or 90ish percent but both are considered high. Which I believe causes the reactivity of the electrolyte at high soc to be high plus can release gas more. I think they use nickel, manganese and a small amount of cobalt plus aluminum. That's all I got. I don't know if they use solid crystals.
 
The 12V AGM battery is maintained by the HV battery, Ctriopelle. The HV battery is of course maintained by the EVSE as needed (battery cooling/heating, cabin preconditioning). So the EVSE is not technically nor actually acting as a 12V trickle charge battery maintainer. Instead, it keeps the HV battery in its happy place.

If your car will be parked outside for a long duration (not plugged in for some weeks, months), then something like a CTEK 12V AGM battery maintainer might be handy to prevent the 12V going bad.

My 2011 Volt's 12V battery was only charged when the car was charging. Later models would use the HV battery as the maintainer but this can cause a drain of course.
Sorry for poor wording. Not too worried about the 12V battery. More wondering if it’s just beneficial to be plugged in but not “charging” the big battery but using shore power to let the big battery have proper temp maintained assuming that’s what happens at that point. After this weekends research I think I’ll plan to charge my battery for daily commutes to 65% in summer, drop it to 40 on my 50 mile mostly 75 mph highway drive to work, recharge to 65 at work and then repeat the next day. Using today’s drive as a guide, it will charge up by about noon and if nobody needs the spot I can stay plugged in and doing what it wants to to stay happy until I leave at 5. Home should top off well before I need it at 7 and before my utility wants me to stop the big amp draws at 6. Any idea what power is used once your battery hits target and it’s just trying to keep everything ready to go?
 
After this weekends research I think I’ll plan to charge my battery for daily commutes to 65% in summer, drop it to 40 on my 50 mile mostly 75 mph highway drive to work, recharge to 65 at work and then repeat the next day
Honestly, if there were a big benefit to charging to 65% versus 75% or 80%, the manual would tell you to do that instead. The incentive to do right with that is listed right on the warranty page. Making that change because it amuses is obviously fine and it's your car...
 
Honestly, if there were a big benefit to charging to 65% versus 75% or 80%, the manual would tell you to do that instead. The incentive to do right with that is listed right on the warranty page. Making that change because it amuses is obviously fine and it's your car...
Just curious. When GM recommends charging to 80 percent, what does that mean to you?
 
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Just curious. When GM recommends charging to 80 percent, what does that mean to you?
For me, the recommended charge level of 80% is to protect battery life. But if you want to charge it less than 80% I see no issue with that. Keeping the car at 100% all the time is overkill for daily commutes and that's where degradation issues arise.

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Charge the battery to 80% for daily driving, or when driving in mountainous terrain. The vehicle can be charged above 80% for long trips when not driving in mountainous terrain.
GM recommends the following:
• Unless your drive requires a full charge, charge the high voltage battery to 80% or less.
• Avoid allowing the high voltage battery to fall below 20% charged, if possible. See Battery - North America 3 273.
 
I think that the 80% recommendation from GM is the sweetspot for ensuring the battery life for degredation during the warranty and practical charge level for a decent day to day range use. Following Dr. Dahn's recommendations if feasible for daily commute would just extend the battery life.
 
For me, the recommended charge level of 80% is to protect battery life. But if you want to charge it less than 80% I see no issue with that. Keeping the car at 100% all the time is overkill for daily commutes and that's where degradation issues arise.

OM p.239
Charge the battery to 80% for daily driving, or when driving in mountainous terrain. The vehicle can be charged above 80% for long trips when not driving in mountainous terrain.
GM recommends the following:
• Unless your drive requires a full charge, charge the high voltage battery to 80% or less.
• Avoid allowing the high voltage battery to fall below 20% charged, if possible. See Battery - North America 3 273.
That's interesting about the 20 percent statement. That identifies what material their using for one side. Dr Dahn talks about this and why.
I understand the 80 percent statement to mean a cap not a charge to for best results. One of the GM people said that the Bolt was lasting 150,000 to 250,000 both well beyond the warranty. But why such a big discrepancy would you think?
 
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I understand the 80 percent statement to mean a cap not a charge to for best results. One of the GM people said that the Bolt was lasting 150,000 to 250,000 both well beyond the warranty. But why such a big discrepancy would you think?
Discrepancy?
 
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